IMF REPORT SHOWS IRELAND IS SINKING INTO DEBT LIKE GREECE, SECOND BAILOUT VIRTUALLY CERTAIN


*IMF report confirms Ireland is sinking into the same debt death spiral as Greece; second bailout virtually certain

*Ireland’s national debt could reach 151% of GDP by 2016, says IMF

*Tax revenues have collasped by a third, unemployment is soaring

*Irish banks increeasingly insolvent and dependent on ECB’s emergency liquidity programme

*Eurozone lurches from one disastrous bankster bailout to the next; German lawmaker warns savings of Germans are at risk

IMF, EU and ECB officials have heaped praise on the Irish government in  their quarterly review of the country’s €67.5bn bailout deal, saying that their fiscal programme was “on track”.

“There are signs of growth and stability in the economy after five years of wrenching cuts,” enthused IMF  Ajai Chopra.

Ireland’s deputy Prime Minister Eamon Gilmore was even more ecstatic.

“Ireland is meeting its targets. That was the assessment yesterday of our partners in the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the IMF at the conclusion of their third quarterly review of our funding programme,” he wrote in The Telegraph, arguing in favour of  an enlarged European Financial Stability Facility.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/8638121/Irelands-courage-in-adversity-has-been-called-an-inspiration-to-others.html

There is only one little problem. None of it is true.

A close reading of the actual IMF report shows that Ireland’s national debt is soaring, making a second bailout is virtually certain. A second bailout is indeed already pencilled in to the IMF’s report’s projections.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2011/cr11109.pdf

Under a so-called „debt shock“ scenario Ireland’s „debt would reach 151 percent of GDP by 2016 and be on an upward path,“ writes the IMF.

According to the IMF report, the Irish government’s general gross debt as per centage of GDP was just 25% in 2007 before the financial crisis.

The debt has ballooned because of the sheer amount of money the government is giving to the banks after guaranteeing their losses and without consulting the people.

National debt grew from 25% in 2007 to 44% in 2008, 65% in 2009.

 When Ireland took on the penal EU, IMF and ECB bailout in 2010,  it lept again to 96% of the GDP.

The IMF predicts Irish national debt will increase to 111% in 2011 and 120% in 2013 in  optimistic scenarios.

No sign then of Ireland returning to the bond market anytime soon.

A report in the FT Lex says a debt to GDP ratio of 60% is needed to restore Greece’s solvency and allow it to return to the markets – and the same ratio of 60% is undoubtedly also required in Ireland.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_14/07/2011_398442

The recognition that Ireland’s debt is growing and it’s economy is getting weaker as the country is caught in exactly same debt death spiral as Greece (and Portugal) because of the EU, IMF and ECB policies is what prompted Moody’s to downgrade Irish debt to junk this week.

It is great cheer  to know that the ECB, EU and IMF medicine is destroying the economy not only of Greece but also of Ireland just as the debt crisis spreads beyond Portugal to Italy and Spain, the third- and fourth-biggest economies in the euro area.

Even the ECB has to admit that Greece’s debt will soar to 161% next year.

http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_wsite2_1_14/07/2011_398442

German lawmaker Frank Schäffler is rightly warning that the savings of Germans are at risk because of these eurozone bankster bailouts which pile more debt on existing debt in a brazen transfer of wealth to American, French and German banks.

http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/politik/8195-deutsche-spareinlagen-in-gefahr

It will be very comforting for the eurozone tax payer’s also to know that not only is Ireland’s government increasingly insolvent, so are its banks.

Borrowing by Irish banks from the ECB under a second „stealth bailout“ is increasing dramatically.

„[…] reliance on Eurosystem liquidity support has risen to about

€145 billion at end-March 2011, including Emergency Liquidity Assistance (ELA) provided by CBI,“ writes the IMF (page 4).

The EU. IMF and ECB has chosen to implement public finance cuts known to cause debt deflation. For the IMF to feign surprise that unemployment is soaring and domestic demand declining (imports have collapsed by 50%) is very strange.

„The combination of slower growth and higher unemployment rates, together with higher bond  spreads and rating downgrades, have increased downside risks, especially risks to regaining  market access,“ says the IMF report, turning „certainties“ into „risks“ in Orwellian 1984 speak.

Cutting public sector spending when a  large chunk  of it is comprised of  interest payments on fractional-reserve banking paper private bank debt does not lead to a balancing of the budget in any meaningful way, but to a declining economy as liquidity is sucked out.

Businesses go bust, tax revenues plummet and the government has to spend an ever greater proportion of those dwindlling tax revenues on servicing its national debt in a downward spiral leading to a deeper depression. Of course, a government can also balance a budget by simply giving all of its revenues to the banks – and this is where Ireland and Greece are heading, causing massive social upheavel.

The IMF report and economic indicators show that Ireland is behaving no differently from Greece when it comes to displaying the signs of the death debt spiral.

Tax revenues in Ireland were 49.7 billion in 2007, but fell by a third to 33 billion in 2010. They are forecast to rise only marginally to 36 billion in 2011.

Ireland’s GDP has fallen  from 177 billion in 2006 to 153 billion in 2010.

Unemployment is set to climb to 14.5% in 2011, according to the IMF report.

The ECB, IMF and EU statement on the progress Ireland is making has about as much truth in it as a report in a Nazi German newspaper in 1943 about the battle of Stalingrad – Germans were also told victory was imminent, a tiny pocket of Red Army resistance just had to be overcome and then the Wehrmacht would sweep into Asia etc etc

And then in February 1943, Germans woke up one morning to be told that the entire Sixth Army had been captured.

In the same way, eurozone tax payer’s are going to wake up to find that far from making progress as the IMF and mainstream media pipe, Ireland is sinking deeper into debt and they will be expected to make endless transfers to it as well as to Greece, Portugal etc

The ECB, EU and IMF report is like a doctor saying all is well with a patient who has just lost their head in a car crash because the patient still has two legs attached to the body.

The economic indicators the ECB, IMF and EU present in their brief statement are not the relevant ones. They are, in fact, a fraudulent misrepresentation of the real economic situation of Ireland as a result of the penal EU, IMF and ECB loan in order to sucker more tax money into a black hole of debt for the profit of the banks – and the IMF’s own more detailed report shows the truly miserably state of the Irish economy.

Michael Mross warns that Europeans will lose not only all their pensions, savings and jobs but also the last vestiges of their democratic rights as the bank-controlled state apparatus moves to crush uprisings by the people they have impoverished.

http://www.mmnews.de/index.php/politik/8193-geldsystem-endstation-faschismus

Indeed, not only do we have bankster puppet Viktor Orban in Hungary planning to put the unemployed in gulags, banker minion Giorgios Papandreou in Greece is now also setting about establishing a „Blackwater“-style army of private detectives to chase elusive taxes while marginalising the court system.

Some key excerpts from the IMF report on Ireland:

 http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/scr/2011/cr11109.pdf

 2008 2009 2011

National accounts (constant prices)

   GDP 5.6 -3.5 -7.6 -0.2 -1.0 0.6

      Domestic demand 5.4 -5.1 -13.9 -4.1 -5.6 -3.5

         Private consumption 6.4 -1.5 -7.0 -1.4 -1.2 -1.6

         Public consumption 6.9 2.2 -4.4 -2.0 -2.2 -4.4

         Gross fixed investment 2.8 -14.3 -31.0 -21.1 -27.8 -13.5

      Net exports 1/ 0.8 1.5 3.8 3.5 3.4 3.5

         Exports of goods and services 8.2 -0.8 -4.1 5.8 9.4 6.0

         Imports of goods and services 7.8 -2.9 -9.7 2.2 6.6 3.0

Gross national saving (in percent of GDP) 21.7 16.4 11.5 10.0 10.6 12.2

Private 18.6 24.2 33.3 24.7 30.6 30.5

Public 2.7 -7.8 -21.8 -14.8 -20.0 -18.3

Gross investment (in percent of GDP) 27.3 22.3 14.1 11.8 10.8 10.8

Private 22.5 16.8 9.9 7.0 7.0 7.9

Public 4.8 5.5 4.2 4.7 3.8 2.9

Prices, wages and employment

   Harmonized Index of Consumer Prices (annual average) 2.9 3.1 -1.7 -1.6 -1.6 1.0

   Average wages, all economy 5.2 3.5 -1.0 -3.7 -2.2 -1.2

   Employment 3.6 -1.1 -8.1 -4.5 -4.2 -1.4

   Unemployment rate (in percent) 4.6 6.3 11.8 13.5 13.6 14.5

Money and credit (end-period) 

   Irish contribution to euro area money supply: M3 12.1 -0.6 -5.9 … -19.6 …

   Irish resident private sector credit 2/ 17.0 7.3 -7.6 … -5.3 …

Financial and asset markets (end-period)

   Three-month interbank rate 4.6 3.0 0.6 … 0.9 …

   10-year government bond 4.5 4.4 4.9 … 9.2 …

   ISEQ index -26.3 -66.2 27.0 … -3.0 …

   House prices (permanent tsb index/ESRI) -6.9 -8.8 -18.5 … -10.8 …

Public finance (in percent of GDP)

   General government balance 0.1 -7.3 -14.3 -32.0 -32.4 -10.6

   Primary balance 0.9 -6.3 -12.2 -29.0 -29.2 -6.7

   General government debt  25.0 44.4 65.5 98.9 96.2 111.1

External trade and balance of payments

   Balance of goods and services (percent of GDP) 9.9 9.0 15.0 19.0 18.6 21.0

   Current account (percent of GDP) -5.3 -5.6 -3.0 -2.4 -0.7 0.5

Effective exchange rates (1999:Q1=100, annual average)

   Nominal 107.2 112.0 113.1 … 108.4 …

   Real (CPI based) 119.2 123.8 121.9 … 112.5 …

Memorandum items:

   Population (in millions) 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.5 4.5 4.5

   GDP per capita (in euros) 43,645 40,702 35,801 35,014 34,433 34,969

   Sources: Department of Finance; Central Bank of Ireland; IFS; Bloomberg; and Fund staff calculations.

   1/ Contribution to growth. However, the data for exports and imports of goods and services are annual growth rates.

   2/ Adjusted change, which includes the effects of transactions between credit institutions and non-bank international 

   financial companies and valuation effects arising from exchange rate movements.

 

Real GDP 5.6 -3.5 -7.6 -0.2 -1.0 0.6 1.9 2.4 2.9 3.3 3.3

Real domestic demand 5.4 -5.1 -13.9 -4.1 -5.6 -3.5 0.1 0.8 1.4 2.8 2.9

Real final domestic demand 5.5 -4.3 -12.4 -5.3 -6.5 -3.9 0.1 0.8 1.4 2.8 2.9

  Private consumption 6.4 -1.5 -7.0 -1.4 -1.2 -1.6 0.1 0.8 1.2 2.2 2.2

  Public consumption 6.9 2.2 -4.4 -2.0 -2.2 -4.4 -1.9 -1.5 -1.5 0.0 0.0

  Fixed investment 2.8 -14.3 -31.0 -21.1 -27.8 -13.5 3.1 4.0 6.0 9.0 9.0

  Change in stocks 1/ 0.0 -0.8 -1.4 1.1 0.9 0.2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0

Net exports 1/ 0.8 1.5 3.8 3.5 3.4 3.5 1.8 1.8 1.9 1.2 1.2

  Exports 8.2 -0.8 -4.1 5.8 9.4 6.0 5.2 4.9 4.9 4.9 4.9

  Imports 7.8 -2.9 -9.7 2.2 6.6 3.0 4.2 4.0 4.0 4.9 4.9

Current account 2/ -5.3 -5.6 -3.0 -2.4 -0.7 0.5 1.2 0.7 0.5 0.0 -0.1

Gross national saving 2/ 21.7 16.4 11.5 10.0 10.6 12.2 12.2 11.9 12.0 11.9 12.4

Private 18.6 24.2 33.3 24.7 30.6 30.5 26.2 23.3 18.4 17.4 17.4

Public 2.7 -7.8 -21.8 -14.8 -20.0 -18.3 -14.0 -11.4 -6.5 -5.5 -5.0

Gross investment 2/ 27.3 22.3 14.1 11.8 10.8 10.8 10.8 11.0 11.2 11.7 12.3

Private  22.5 16.8 9.9  7.0 7.0  7.9  8.1 8.3 8.8 9.4 9.9

Public  4.8 5.5 4.2  4.7 3.8  2.9  2.7 2.6 2.4 2.4 2.4

Prices

Consumer prices 2.9 3.1 -1.7 -1.6 -1.6 1.0 0.6 1.4 1.3 1.7 1.7

Wages 5.2 3.5 -0.1 -3.7 -2.2 -1.0 -0.1 0.7 0.7 1.1 1.2

Labor market

Employment 3.6 -1.1 -8.1 -4.5 -4.2 -1.4 0.8 1.8 2.0 2.0 1.7

Average unemployment rate 4.6 6.3 11.8 13.5 13.6 14.5 13.9 13.2 12.3 11.3 10.5

Public finance

   General government balance 2/ 0.1 -7.3 -14.3 -32.0 -32.4 -10.6 -8.9 -7.4 -4.9 -4.4 -4.2

   General government structural balance 3/ -7.3 -11.5 -9.8 -8.8 -8.9 -6.7 -5.7 -4.8 -3.0 -3.1 -3.1

   General government gross debt 2/ 25.0 44.4 65.5 98.9 96.2 111.1 116.7 120.1 119.8 118.7 117.4

Output gap 3/ 6.5 2.2 -5.6 -6.3 -6.6 -6.4 -5.1 -3.7 -2.4 -1.1 0.0

 

Current account balance -10.2 -4.9 -1.1 0.8 1.9 1.1

   Balance of goods and services 16.1 24.0 28.6 32.8 36.4 39.9

Trade balance 23.8 32.4 37.1 39.7 43.0 46.4

         Exports of goods 81.0 77.0 83.9 88.2 92.9 97.5

         Imports of goods -57.2 -44.7 -46.7 -48.6 -49.9 -51.1

      Services balance -7.7 -8.4 -8.5 -6.9 -6.6 -6.5

         Credit 67.9 66.6 73.3 79.1 85.3 91.2

         Debit -75.6 -75.0 -81.8 -86.0 -92.0 -97.7

   Income balance -25.2 -27.9 -28.6 -32.1 -34.4 -38.6

         Credit 84.0 54.5 56.8 59.2 60.3 60.9

         Debit -109.2 -82.4 -85.3 -91.3 -94.8 -99.4

   Current transfers (net) -1.2 -0.9 -1.2 0.0 -0.1 -0.2

Capital and financial account balance 16.2 -4.6 13.1 -39.3 -20.9 -11.1

   Capital account balance 0.0 -1.3 -0.7 -0.1 -0.4 -0.4

 

 

 Access to market funding: this has been the clearest set-back since· program 

approval, where despite strong policy implementation in both the financial and fiscal 

areas, the availability of cash and program financing, and the resolution of political 

uncertainty, ratings have been downgraded to the bottom tier of investment grade, 

spreads have widened, and access to markets has not been regained. A continued 

inability to regain market access for the sovereign, and hence for the banks, would 

impede growth, and, if prolonged, would result in a rising share of official financing 

in total public debt that could itself lead to wider spreads and undermine the ability to 

regain market access. In this context, deepening financial stress for other euro area 

periphery countries presents a critical yet largely exogenous risk that needs to be 

addressed through a more comprehensive European plan. 

 

35.      The debt outlook, however, remains fragile. Debt is projected to peak at 

120 percent of GDP in 2013, and to then decline gradually. The debt path is below the one 

projected in the initial program by about 

5 percentage points of GDP, primarily 

because the recapitalization cost (net of 

LMEs) is now assumed to be about 

€19 billion, less than the program’s 

contingency funding for banks of 

€35 billion. Debt would reach about 

117 percent of GDP by 2016 under the 

planned fiscal consolidation path. Higher 

market interest rates and downsides to 

medium-term growth prospects represent 

key risks to putting the debt ratio on a 

downward path (Annex). Responding to 

downside shocks by accelerating the 

already substantial fiscal adjustment that 

has been programmed in the medium term 

would not mitigate these risks as it would further retard growth in an already weak economic 

environment. 

 

 

Risks to the program, already high at approval, have risen in some respects. The 

combination of slower growth and higher unemployment rates, together with higher bond 

spreads and rating downgrades, have increased downside risks, especially risks to regaining 

market access. At the same time, some risks, such as those from the financial sector and 

political uncertainty would appear to have diminished. But these positive elements have had 

limited or temporary benefits in a context where external developments, such as the 

introduction of the forthcoming European Stability Mechanism or developments in other  24

eurozone periphery countries, drive financial markets and the perception of the probability of 

default. 

 

However, recent growth and interest rate developments points to risks to the debt 

outlook. The alternative scenarios and bound tests illustrate important sensitivities to growth 

and interest rate assumptions:

1

 A negative shock to the baseline growth rate could put debt on an upward· path.  With 

a permanent shock of one-third standard deviation, debt would increase to 

136 percent of GDP by 2016. A one-third standard deviation shock reduces the 

average growth rate from 2¾ to 1½ percent over 2011–16. The size of the shock, 

which depends on deviations from the average, is affected by the sharp boom and 

bust of the Irish economy over the past years.  

 The debt outlook is sensitive to interest rate developments. Since· program approval, 

market interest rates have persisted at high levels. However, Irish government debt 

has predominantly fixed interest rates, hence higher market interest rates would only 

affect interest payments on new borrowings. Therefore, assuming that interest rates 

on new borrowing remain at current levels is equivalent to assuming a ½ percentage 

point higher average interest rate on the full debt stock. In this scenario, debt would 

peak at 121 percent of GDP in 2013, then decline slowly to 120 percent by 2016.  

 The planned fiscal consolidation, which is projected to deliver a primary· surplus of 

2 percent by 2016, is essential to put debt on a declining path. In the absence of fiscal 

consolidation, debt would reach 151 percent of GDP by 2016 and be on an upward 

path.  

 

 

50 Responses to IMF REPORT SHOWS IRELAND IS SINKING INTO DEBT LIKE GREECE, SECOND BAILOUT VIRTUALLY CERTAIN

  1. CAUTION
    Dear visitor. You may encounter messages from an anonymous person calling itself MH but who also may appear under other names. You will notice these messages have nothing to do with articles or ongoing discussions, but consist of accusations, suspicions and speculations towards other people. This person is fully aware of the fact that it already wrecked this comment section with its ongoing disturbances, but it does not care. Please don’t react to its messages. This anonymous person draws energy from every reaction and will feel compelled to further fill this comment section with its spam. Notice that my name and logo are active. I am not anonymous. If you have any questions at all about this anonymous person, about me or this Blog, you’ll find detailed answers plus my email address here: http://www.carlitos-amsel-vom-holunderstrauch.net/texte/0261539f170c5f601.html

    • IT'S ABOUT LIBEL - MH says:

      as you can see here once again!

      Libel (a punishable offence) by a criminal (in his own words) Karlos Hutterer alias „Carlitos Amsel vom Holunderstrauch“ –

      July 15, 2011 at 1:34 pm
      Karlos Hutterer, that’s very interesting. Your reaction to the word „idiot“ is a very intensive one… (Fühlen Sie sich etwa angesprochen?)
      On the other hand YOU DON’T GIVE A SHIT when spreading all the comment sections with your insults, curses, obnoxious lies and libel of MH. I won’t take that. You get the response you deserve.
      Could it be that an unsoundness of mind is causing all the problems here? Is it testified yet?
      It could explain for your complete disregard for the law and any rule of decent behaviour. You think you are above the law? YOU dare threaten me with the law? Very interesting indeed.
      YOUR list of insults, curses, smear words and libelous lies is a very long one… and easily to prove.
      So take care for yourself. Watch your tongue.

      @Euthanasia – for you „Holunderstrauch’s“ vulgar curses and mean demeanor are not too primitive , I understand ? – Sorry, they are not to my taste. You call my self defense against libel „primitive“ ? Sorry again, that’s too weird and twisted a view.
      (see under: NEW WORLD ORDER FICTION: READ THIS STORY ABOUT THE BILDERBERG MEETING IN SWITZERLAND)

        • MH says:

          You don’t want to change your mind, do you?
          Always accusing MH of your own madness – being a psychopath yourself!!(by behaviour and definition)
          You are forcing your madness on others here, are you mentally incapable to see?

          using words like “psychopathic Bitch” “madness” over and over again – but threatening me: “…Take care Babe and remember, I do have enough bread to sue you if I wish. And now, fuck off! Go, swallow ratpoison and die!”

          Isn’t that funny.:) – Not a bit. It’s a serious punishable offence.
          But priding yourself of being a criminal you are not the least embarrassed or ashamed of yourself, or are you?

          “you mess in between with your mad, allways the same, posts.”
          (says Karlos Hutterer alias Holunderstrauch)
          NO, I’m not. I’m just putting your lies straight.Your distortions are legion!!

        • Oh? I am so sorry!
          Who are you?

  2. Anon says:

    Good man Carlitos and well done Jane. It’s a poor day for old Ireland though.

  3. Yea. Its increasingly turning into a poor day for all of us.
    But somehow I feel, there is hope. The whole thing is turning from day to day more into a pure money game, were great riches can be made, which means, the bastards will attack each other. Thats their nature, is’nt it? They dont get along with each other, they only pretend so, as long as they have the same goal, but making riches is never a goal to be spared with others. The Bastards will go on each others throats. With a little luck, we can all sit back and watch…_ :)

  4. The entire economic ugliness that is happening in Europe is just a preview of what’s about to hit the United States. Thanks for this post.

  5. greenberry says:

    I do not trust any report from the IMF for one
    single second. It is a waste of time bothering
    about reports from BS organisations like International Mafia Federation (IMF) and World Homocide Organisation (WHO). Ought to be ignored since history teaches so well about their lies. Why should that fact become different in present time?
    Just reminding about the past and that little uggly habit of staged reports and mainstream media cover ups and distortions of truth. Will we ever learn to ignore them?

    • greenberry says:

      Yes,
      Let us just sit back with a smile on our faces while they destroy each other. No one listening to them anymore. I guess that is what will hurt them most. Loving is the same as listening to and that is the power they looking for. But unfortunately to them not everybody do. And that hurts. As long as our kind be around a thorn in their *utts.

  6. True.
    I constantly have an eye on happenings in the USA, via Alex Jones and such. It looks bad, man, it looks very bad. I realy dont know what they are doing about the German economy. Its unbelieveble. If you listen to them, our economy is as good as never befor. Whats going on? Are they such brazzen liars or do they have something up their sleeve, I dont know. Probably they are just brazzen liars and we will all wake up one morning, with the electricity shut off, no telefon working, the heat dont work and the shelves in the supermarkets are empty. By then, our crminals in Berlin will sit on the greek island, they have bought so cheap during all the mess that went on! :)

    • greenberry says:

      LOL. Mr. Jones now producing videos faster
      than I have time to absorbe them. There is not enough velocity of bites/second. That man certainly got an energy. I guess that is the result when dealing with truth and what someone really believe in. Light and truth overcomes darkness. So in a way it is not so strange. It is just natural.

      • For sure, Alex and his Crew are realy something! There is a German Guy named Alexander Benesch who has a German Wegsite called “Infokrieg” http://infokrieg.tv/wordpress/ which is German for Infowar. He juses the same template as Alex J does. He has a TV program every wednesday that is being stored on the site so one can watch it on the weekend. For everybody who understands German, go have a look.

  7. Jason Fish says:

    I’m with greenberry in that I don’t trust the IMF for a second!

  8. Emanuel van den Bemd says:

    Yes, Alex Jones is a good site and so is the Dutch Xander nieuws, they are right up to the minute. Another is The Corbett report from Japan. It ‘s good for us all if and when the Elite end up fighting each other. One sign of that is the Murdoch debacle. There is more to it than we are told. You can now see a split developing where the Elite can’t trust each other not to do the dirty on one-another,. You can expect this from those criminals . When they see an opportunity they will blow the whistle on each other.

    • Hello Greenberry! Emanuel!
      So nice to see you back!! :)

      Have’nt heard of Xander news before. I will check it out today. I do know The Corbett report. Again, this is the German “Infowar” called “Infokrieg”: http://infokrieg.tv/wordpress/

      YES, I knew it, they will get on one anothers throats. And now that more and more money is coming into the game, I assume, we can expect to see this more often.

      • greenberry says:

        Thanks Carlitos,
        No I guess a few of us have been here all the time. Ready to add some sodium chloride to anything in danger of being spoilt or rotten. I see that as a responsibility we have to the world we living in. Salt is slowing down the rottening process considerably and who knows.
        We might even have some success in changing that process.

  9. Emanuel van den Bemd says:

    We are certainly living in exiting, worrysome ,dangerous times. With the middle east going up in flames, the Europen Union on its last legs . The American dollar worth no more than toilet paper. Yet the ZIONIST money lender usurers The Warburgs, Rothschilds, Rockefellers .Soros,Oppenheimers ,etc etc all Criminals together situated in Wall street and London and Zurich at the Behest of the Anglo Dutch Royals and the Bilderbergers mates will always print enough money to keep the wheels of arms production in full tilt. There is always enough money for kiling and destruction.and robbery These rotters are possessed by the Satan . They don’t care about the poor starving unfortunates whom they have bled dry for centuries. Don’t get me wrong over the ZIONISTS and the Jews, They are not the same thing. I in fact believe we should support Israel and the Jews,with all our might they desperately need our support to overcome the real threat from that satanic Muslim Arab religion that knows not love and is born from the devils cauldron destructive of anything good and noble. Look what they are doing to us in Europe. the place is bing over run by them our culture is being destroyed One must be blind not to see it . I advise you all of kind and loving disposition to forget your little differences and join forces with all peace loving people world wide to fight for our survival and freedoms. It must be obvious to all of you by now that we are being driven toward a precipice by the Globalist NWO juggernaught infested by a amoral bunsh of crazies who wish us dead. We the masses of this world are all in it together we have one common enemy and together we must fight back and survive or together we run away and perish. If we don'[t stand upto these devils in high places we are dead meat.

  10. MH says:

    Kaddafi Speech (English Subtitles) Tripoli 01.07.2011 Libya (1+2+3)

    The Libyan people stand up…

  11. Emanuel van den Bemd says:

    Yes, I have heard that Gadaffi was good to his people. We must not listen to the ZIONIST media propaganda that rubishes Gadaffi. Gadaffi refused to accept american dollars for their oil he wanted real gold not the fake they have been putting on the market. That’s what the Elite Illuminati are after , Libyas Gold and Libyas oil and for that the ZIONIST are only too ready to start wars. It is n’t too hard to read between the lines, Just see who controls the money, who starts the wars and who controls the UN , WHO and all the countries that have signed their sovereignty away and all the media and universities and schools that use their censored books.. We all have been indoctrinated to do their bidding and most of us have fallen for their scam. We’ve been suckers to the Eugenic and genocidal agenda, we have been fooled into believing the world is over populated, we have been hoodwinked into accepting the CO2 scam, the BS about dwindling oils supplies , the false flag terrorism, the labratory created bioterrorism bugs , the need for mass innoculations against whatever ,they can think up.We have believed them blindly they have made us afraid of essential vitamins , minerals and trace elemnts, the have taken away medicinal herbs and called them dangerous, They push denatured and chemicalised and dsangerous mediciens and food onto us and try to feed us GMO and aspartaam, Fluoride and thousands of chemicals and estrogens in our food and water supplies. They are destroying female sexual desire, they are feminising men so they can ‘t reproduce anymore. The evil of these people known no end and we are letting them.by self destructing ourselves. I could go on and on and on. Everthing we have known to be safe and good they have declared to be dangerous. On the other hand everything they produce that is life threatening they call safe. these people are either insane or excedingly wicked and evil. . There has to be an end to all this horror that people such as the Clintons, Kissinger, Brezinski., Sakse Kobergs, orange Nassau’s and even the Catholic Pope all their ilk try to embezzle us with, they are horrible through and through and they are after whatever you still. own They are out to destroy us, I hope you believe me, if you do, it,may just save your life and freedom one day.soon.

  12. I have a problem with “The Jews”. Lets face it. Who the fuck are “The Jews”? Its not a certain amount of tribes anymore. That might have been once, long ago. So today, virtually anybody who turns to the jewish religion is a Jew, no matter whether he’s Chines or a black Guy from Zimbabwe. I met a man once, who was a simple man, but of such humanity and nobel character, that he took my breath away. II will never forget him as long as I live. He was a Jew. While I wore the classic black Borsalino hat of the bygone centuries, he wore a small rimed black hat. When I asked him one day, why he doesnt wear a decent hat, he replied, “I’m a Jew, and we Jews wear hats like the mine”. So. There I had it. The man of the greatest humanity and nobillity of character I have ever met in my life, was a Jew. The question now arises, how do I square that with all the things one hears about Jews? I guess what it comes down to is, whatever is called “The Jews”, is a bunch of people, thrown together on a piece of land in the middle east by the doings of some rich manipulators, where now they are being abused by the same rich manipulators to further their goals. So who are they? Zionists? But they surely aint all Zionists. I guess, its a faceless, nationless, kind of amorph gang of international criminals, working for those who have always ruled the world. Who is that? Must be the Royals and their underlings, the so called nobel families, right? So, in the end, what people call The Jews, arent The Jews at all, its the Devil.

    Another thing is, When People say “Look at them coming into europe and destroying our cultur”, they mean The muslims, right? Not so long ago I had the priviledge to meat about all the young turkish moslem people of my home town. Turned out, that most of them were of a better upbringing and more cultured then the most young Germans whom I know. How do I square this with the rumours of “The brown hordes of muslims invading my land”? I tell you, its a bunch of bollocks! These muslim hordes consist of hard working, honest people. Yea, they have their harebrains, just like we have them, but in a whole, I’d rather socialize with these “muslim hordes” then with German hordes, although I am a German myself. While their culture and traditions have been preserved through a healthy family life, ours have been destroyed and not only by destroying family life. So, instead of talking about the threat of “brown hordes of muslims inc´vading our land, we better talk about them who caused the condition that brought them here. And there we see the same rats as in the case of “The Jews”.

  13. maurizio says:

    i’m sorry to ask but i don’t understand,
    is jane ok and well ?
    is she still posting on this blog or not?
    many post are totally absurdity,is she
    have some particolar skill in economic matter ?
    hope you’re well jane

    • MH says:

      @maurizio @all visitors

      Karlos Hutterer alias Holunderstrauch WON’T STOP TELLING HIS LIES (LIBELof MH)

      THE ONE allegedly “pledging for peace“ is the one who is destroying peace by waging war…
      Talking about Obama ? – Yes, right, and we are talking about Karlos Hutterer alias Holunderstrauch who is showing off his mentality as well. He got it all!!
      “One has to be a criminal to stay a decent person“ says Holunderstrauch. Isn’t that interesting.
      Isn’t that funny. What a coincidence. “Anything goes!“ say the honorable Elites, telling malicious lies, lots of distortions and diversion, ad hominem ridicule, grave insults / name calling, vulgar and extremely hateful curses, displaying hypocrisy, all kinds of threats, harassment and attacks (even against life)

      Karlos Hutterer alias Holunderstrauch’s hateful comments speak for themselves and readers will evaluate them accordingly, and their evaluation will not be what he expects.

      Regards MH
      (being NOT a “NWOdisinfo agent” etc but a reasonable person having asked sensible and polite questions in LETTERS TO JANE which haven’t been answered yet – which leaves it open – at least in my opinion – who is actually in charge of this site – Jane B. herself (happy and well) or some MMS (Social Media marketing)agency
      It’s a pity that Jane won’t answer or react to the concerns of readers at all. That’s a real problem here.
      Karlos Hutterer is acting as a kind of self appointed “mouthpiece” allegedly of Jane Bürgermeister . Somebody who takes pride in being a criminal, acting here on the blog like a mad attack dog – his lies are legion….
      So long.

      • Yes, asks “sensible and polite questions” TENTHOUSAND TIMES, although they either have been answered already long ago or simply can not be answered, but to childish to grasp the fact, that sometimes you get answeres you dont like and sometimes you dont get any at all. Simply MAD :)

        • MH says:

          YOU have not been asked. I’ve told you so repeatedly.

          ONLY JANE HERSELF has been asked.
          And I believe Jane doesn’t need a vulgar “mouthpiece” Karlos Hutterer alias Holunderstrauch. Certainly, she can perfectly well speak for herself on her own site.

        • Since Jane does not answer, it seems insane to everybody, to keep on asking tenthousand times. And yea, I might be vulgar, I dont come out of a schools bench, I am from the streets, where democracy is born. (and I am a criminal, remember?) But in spite of it all, I am quite capable to keep my vulgarity out of the way. I must, since I hold speaches in front of academics. But confronted with such elementary insanity as yours, its quite a task to do so, I can asure you that!

        • And now go, and Fuck yourself! :)

  14. Here you will find answers, maurizio
    http://www.carlitos-amsel-vom-holunderstrauch.net/texte/0261539f170c5f601.html This is all we can do for you, so please dont ask any further. There are no more answers available. If you dont like it, go and cry.

    • greenberry says:

      Yes maurizio,
      I can confirm what Carlitos saying. I know Jane is well and doing fine. Please stop ask
      questions of her well being in the blogg cause it disturbs it. Comments are supposed to be about articles in the blogg. Not about Jane. If you need to know send her an email or try to find out in other ways.

      • Yea. Right. I say Jane is alright, because she answers my emails like she has always done. But she does not answer everybodys. You can like this or loath it, its your choice, but i wont change a thing. If you choose not to believe, you are free to go to Vienna and visit Jane. If you dont go and you think she is gone, then make a website, color it bloodred and write in thick white letters on it: JANE B. IS GONE! MIGHT BE ON HER WAY TO CANADA TO MARRY SANTA CLAUS!!

  15. MH says:

    “I hold speaches in front of academics.” says Holunderstrauch

    What a bad joke.
    Nobody here is laughing…

    Um Gottes Willen, was ist das nur für ein Typ…

  16. Go and fuck yourself, Daisy.
    I have given you my name, my adress and my email adress, while you have given nothing but your schizophrenic foul mouth, so dont expect me to elaborate about my profession life, Bitch!

  17. MH says:

    Karlos Hutterer alias Holunderstrauch’s hateful comments speak for themselves and readers will evaluate them accordingly, and their evaluation will not be what he expects.

  18. Yes Daisy. Readers will evaluate. But Daisy, they have evaluated already! Have you not seen? They praise me! So do some constructive work for a change, something othing then messing up Blogs by spreading disinfo, by raising suspicions and attacking other people, and something other then peddle your sorry ars on the street after sundown…-

  19. I am quite certain, Daisy, that the people here would like to love you. But with your scornfull, hate filled mind, you leave only the option to either loath you or pity you. Since nobody here will want to loath anybody, you leave us no choice then to pity you, for it is certain, your state of mind can not give anybody much joy in life.

    • MH says:

      Karlos Hutterer’s ” scornful hatred filled mind”

      shown by quoting his own words.. (his “foul mouth”).

      What he has got are lies, lies, lies…. paranoia and a phantastical imagination…

      Herr Hutterer, von einem solchen Typ lasse ich mir nicht ans Bein pissen, OK?

  20. MH says:

    “This person draws energy from every reaction and will feel compelled to further fill this comment section with its spam.” says Holunderstrauch

    as always talking about yourself, aren’t you?

    “They praise me!” says Holunderstrauch

    Everybody makes his/her own choices…

    The most ruthless thugs and most vicious psychopathic control freaks get into power and are being praised all the time…

    “The New World Order – It’s about trampling and being trampled upon. It’s about no decency, no honour, no beauty. It’s about giving the ugliest, most sickening minds total power. Corrupt ruthless thugs get into power. The most vicious, psychopathic control freaks get into power to destroy everything. A full spectrum vicious scientific attac. It’s called NWO and eugenics.” (says Alex Jones)

  21. These are my words. You like to twist things around when cornered by truth, dont you. But even a blind person can tell, that I desparetely try to comment articles and communicate with others, while you, since two months now, in a fashion, nobody can call healthy or sane anymore, shit in between and cant be stopped.

  22. I am sure, you have read this:
    July 15, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    2
    “””Good man Carlitos and well done Jane. It’s a poor day for old Ireland though.”””

    You see what I am saying? People have “evaluated” long ago. Just look at some of the other comments made by people and you must realize, you dont have one friend here. NOBODY aproves of you or of what you are doing here since two months. So it must be very joyfull to live with that knowledge in mind? Drives you crazy, does’nt it?

  23. MH says:

    “And, eh, Robert, we dont want to be fascists, who drive people in the “right direction”, which, insidently, is our direction, and if they choose another one, think less of them, judge them and plaster them with all kinds of negative attributes, or do we? We are capable, to leave others in their own right…““May I ask in all modesty, what is it, that Jane has done to you in the past??“ says Holunderstrauch

    This is only one example of Karlos Hutterer’s outrageous hypocrisy, his unwillingness to leave others in their own right and accept a difference of opinion. It shows the fascist mindset of a control freak who likes harassing people and bossing them about.

    Certainly, there are lots of visitors like myself who won’t succumb to anything like that!!
    Readers who judge differently. Not “praising“ somebody who likes harassing and libelling others – because of a difference of opinion.

    Harassment and libel – That is what you have been doing for weeks.
    NO PRAISE FOR THAT…

  24. CAUTION !
    Dear visitor. You may encounter messages from an anonymous person calling itself MH but who also may appear under other names. You will notice these messages have nothing to do with articles or ongoing discussions, but consist of accusations, suspicions and speculations towards other people. This person is fully aware of the fact that it already wrecked this comment section with its ongoing disturbances, but it does not care. Please don’t react to its messages. This anonymous person draws energy from every reaction and will feel compelled to further fill this comment section with its spam. Just look at our comment pages and you’ll see for yourself. This person MH badgers people on a daily basis SINCE TWO MONTHS already! Notice please, that my name and logo are active. I am not anonymous. If you have any questions at all about this anonymous person, about me or this Blog, you’ll find detailed answers plus my email address here: http://www.carlitos-amsel-vom-holunderstrauch.net/texte/0261539f170c5f601.html

  25. CAUTION !
    Dear visitor. You may encounter messages from an anonymous person calling itself MH but who also may appear under other names. You will notice these messages have nothing to do with articles or ongoing discussions, but consist of accusations, suspicions and speculations towards other people. This person is fully aware of the fact that it already wrecked this comment section with its ongoing disturbances, but it does not care. Please don’t react to its messages. This anonymous person draws energy from every reaction and will feel compelled to further fill this comment section with spam. Just look at our comment pages and you’ll see for yourself. This person MH badgers people on a daily basis since TWO MONTHS already! Notice please, that my name and logo are active. I am not anonymous. If you have any questions about this anonymous person, about me or this Blog, you’ll find detailed answers plus my email address here: http://www.carlitos-amsel-vom-holunderstrauch.net/texte/0261539f170c5f601.html

  26. MH says:

    Holunderstrauch spreading his poison again and again –

    “This person draws energy from every reaction and will feel compelled to further fill this comment section with its spam.” (says Holunderstrauch)

    as always talking about himself but accusing others (especially MH) – that’s called hypocrisy. (says MH)

    Karlos Hutterer alias Holunderstrauch, Sie müssen es schon ertragen, mit Ihren verleumderischen Lügen und Ihrer Heuchelei konfrontiert zu werden – und zwaqr so oft wie Sie diese Lügen wiederholen!!
    Menschen sind nicht solche Dummköpfe wie Sie das offenbar meinen.
    Was sind Sie nur für ein Typ, immer zu versuchen, eine Meute hinter sich zu sammeln…
    Sie haben es sehr nötig, erbärmlich ist das….und zu dumm.Verstanden?

  27. MH says:

    MH “badgers people” – what people are you talking about?

    One more of your lies…

    It’s not about “other people” (or even Jane B.) it’s always and only about Karlos Hutterer and his lies and libel of MH.

    YOU are being confronted with your lies and hypocrisy, Karlos Hutterer alias Holunderstrauch – and you can hardly bear that.
    But that’s it.

  28. Just remember, MH is, and insists to stay, anonymous. She has good reasons to do so. I, am not anonymous. I stick to the truth, so I have no reason to hide.

  29. MH says:

    Most people here are “anonymous” without having any reason “to hide” – greenberry, EUthanasia, darkside and others…

    You are talking shit, Karlos Hutterer alias Holunderstrauch.

    YOU are telling your lies, insults and libel in plain sight !! Bragging and showing off a high degree of impudence and stupidity.

    You “stick to the truth” ?? – What do you mean by truth? Oh yes, all your lies…and your libel (filling lots of pages here)

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